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I am new to this website but I am not new to the Society. My initial connection was through my Quaker mother, who introduced me to the Westbury, New York meeting, which (without my being aware of it at the time) made me a birthright Quaker.

This would have been in the 1950s, and my childlike perception of that meeting in Westbury was that things were good, very good, there. Likely that perception was accurate, that things actually were good there. The meeting was vital, supportive, and spiritual and a very safe place to develop as a child. The people were warm and real and now I believe that Christ was there, too.

Later in my youth, I attended with decreasing frequency, not due to any deficiency of that meeting (or the others I had traveled to). I was simply drifting away, distracted by my adolescence and young adulthood. The time was the mid to late 1960s and early 70s, and the distractions I was exposed to were considerable.

One of those distractions would put me back in proximity with a different group of Quakers.  America was at war, and Friends were on the front lines in opposition to that war. This Quaker opposition was coordinated by the American Friends Service Committee and my peripheral involvement with AFSC in New York City (about 25 miles from my old meeting on Long Island) left me with a different impression of Friends, different from any of the Friends I had known before.

I had not been aware of "political" Quakers before this ( by nowI was 18 or 19 or 20 years of age) and I admit this new version of Quakerism was something of a shock to my system. As I write this, I see there is a danger of my seeming to judge these Friends, but they were very different from any Friends I had previously known and this could not be ignored.

My impression did not apply to all of them, of course, but the sum of my experience with this group was not positive. Some of them were not shy to express powerfully toxic, even violent, opinions of both the US government and individuals in that government.

It took me a while to realize this, but not all of these Quakers had the same foundation as the Quakers I had known. To many of these new type of Quaker, perhaps the majority of them, Jesus was a political figure, a radical like them. This was not the Jesus, the Christ, I had known.

At first I thought that they were simply centered on a different aspect of the Christ. He had come to change the world, he was a radical. I knew that, but I had believed that his radicalism was not political but spiritual, which to me is far more radical than political activism.

Ultimately, I was actively disabused of my notion that their focus was simply on a different aspect of the Christ by many of the people I met, some of whom were honest about their atheism. Their view was simply that Jesus was a socialist hero and not the Messiah.

The years went by and I encountered this “new” Quakerism with some frequency, but I did continue to attend meetings. About a decade later I became a member of a very small meeting near Friend's World College on Long Island, N.Y.

Perhaps I had isolated myself there, oblivious to changes in the broader fellowship. As far as I could tell, the atheists were absent from that meeting. There were many occasions where I was confident that the meeting was a gathered one.

Later, I moved to Maine and attended another small meeting there. Again, atheism seemed absent.  Again, there were many occasions at that meeting where Christ had come teach his people himself and Friends were willing to listen.

Then, in the 1990s, I moved to Seattle, in Washington State, and sought out another spiritual home. My first visit was to a large meeting in the university district of that city. What I encountered shocked me. Perhaps the reader would have been shocked as well, I don’t yet know what the reaction of this audience would be (I do think I will find out from reactions to this post).

What shocked me was this: an apparent elder (I would find out later he was the clerk of the Meeting) stood and asked for the “blessings of the Gods (plural) on this gathering”.  My brain was reeling, and I tried to believe I had misheard him. The remainder of the hour, and it was exactly an hour in length, was mostly silent. The one message I do remember from that hour frequently contained the word “diversity”.

At rise of meeting, I approached the individual who opened the meeting by invoking “the gods”. He was very clear with me. I was told that there are two “types” of Quakers, Christocentric or Universalist. This meeting, he told me, was of the second type.

Please pardon my ignorance of this, but I had thought that Quakerism could be described as a Christ centered society and if there were two types of Quakers, they would be either convinced or birthright. Now I was learning that there were three types of Quakers, convinced, birthright and unconvinced. How had this come about? I think I know, but please tell me what you think.

I was able to find another meeting where the majority of attendees did not seem to see Jesus merely as a “good man”, but that majority was likely a slim one.

Years later I moved to Connecticut (where I remain) and what I encountered here was universally Universalist. Christ, as a name or a word or the source, was either absent or very controversial at meeting.

I felt I should try to stay involved and was able to find one meeting outside of Hartford that seemed less atheist than the ones more local to me. A few years passed and I basically kept my head down to avoid controversy. There were even occasions where this meeting came across as gathered. Over time this would change.

The few older, seasoned friends in the meeting moved or died or entered nursing homes and the meeting gradually changed. As the elders' numbers dwindled, the next generation rose up to eldership. They were, nearly all of them, self-described Universalists. I have come to learn that that word as used by them is not inclusionary at all. It is not Universalist so much as it is anti-Christocentric.

I began as a birthright Quaker, but over my lifetime I have become a very convinced Quaker. I do believe that Fox and Barkley and so many more had expressed in words and deeds the largest single piece of God’s message and our relationship to Him ever gathered. I know there are other pieces to that message and that relationship and we do well to be open to them, but Quakerism itself was unique (peculiar) and valuable beyond our limited imaginations. Now that value and that uniqueness seems to have been repressed from within the very fellowship that was supposed to carry it forward.

So this is my report, this is what I’ve encountered. I did somehow become aware of the NFF during this time and through their publications felt that I wasn’t alone in my impressions of where this was all headed. What has become of the faith of my youth? I would ask the reader to respond.


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Comment by Allistair Lomax on 2ndMo. 12, 2011 at 14:32

Hi Lawrence,

I was very interested to read your experience of your involvment in the Society of Friends. I think it would be fair to say that it certainly resonates with those of us, who have either come out of a liberal Quaker background or are still in it. It is often fiercely intolerant of the Christian content of the true Quaker faith, while professing toleration. I think it is also fair to that we also share with you the belief that Fox and the Early Quakers proclaimed the pure and un-distilled Christian Faith. Hopefully, via this site, we can all work together to promote this life-changing message. Thanks for your contribution and welcome.

Comment by Isabel Penraeth on 2ndMo. 12, 2011 at 19:13
I thank thee, Friend, for sharing thy experiences. I would offer that the faith of thy youth (and of Fox and Barclay) is alive and well because Jesus Christ is alive and well and has indeed come to teach his people himself. He breaks through even into the lives of those who outwardly reject him. I've experienced it; I've seen it. I have faith in that. At the time of my convincment, I could have walked with complete equanimity into any universalist meeting. In his wisdom, first the Lord changed me, turned my heart to Christ and my mind to Fox and Barclay, then only later did I became "exposed" to the universalists. I relate the somewhat lengthy story of my own convincement here on my website. I guess I would just like to offer that our hope is in Jesus Christ, and that he can and does meet the challenges that can seem so overwhelming to us. I consider myself and my experiences proof that the Lord does want traditional Quakerism to survive, and that he is willing to go to some effort to do so.
Comment by Jim Wilson on 2ndMo. 16, 2011 at 23:24

I want to thank you for your post.  I found it moving.  I am a convinced Friend, quite new.  What attracted me to Friends was it's religious views and its religious foundation.  I wasn't attracted to Friends because of politics; if I wanted to be an activist I think there are more effective ways than joining the Religious Society of Friends.


It is distressing to me that many Friends Meetings seem to define what it means to be a Quaker by a list of political positions.  It's almost as if some Meetings have substituted a political credo for a religious one.  It's almost as if the FCNL and the AFSC are defining what it means to be a Quaker these days.  I think that is something like the tail wagging the dog.


I'm going to give your post some thought; perhaps I will have more comments later.


Thanks again,




Comment by Peter Glass on 2ndMo. 27, 2011 at 20:37
It seems that nowadays, when Universalist Friends - or any politically activist Christian, for that matter - try to make Jesus out to be a political revolutionary, in whose footsteps they deem themselves to be following, that they are making the same error that many would-be followers of Jesus made, during his ministry in Judea, namely, that Jesus was merely a political messiah who would lead the revolution to throw off the Roman occupation of Judea, and then reestablish the good old days of a King David and Solomon-style kingdom and Temple religion. When it became evident that Jesus was not that sort of political messiah, they lost interest in him and drifted off - or turned against him. Likewise today we see this same tendency to drift away from or reject Jesus the Spiritual Guide in favor of a mere political revolutionary who would champion and legitimize this or that pet cause of theirs, however righteous it might be.
Comment by Jim Wilson on 2ndMo. 28, 2011 at 18:44

Friend Peter:


I enjoyed reading your comment and it seems to me to be accurate.  I'm not sure what the situation is in England, but in the U.S. churches and religious organizations in general have become highly politicized; so much so that if you are not an activist or dedicated to a specific political agenda you may not be welcome in many churches.  A book, published in 2005, addresses this difficulty.  It's called "The Myth of a Christian Nation" by Gregory Boyd.  Boyd is a pastor and it was his attempt to point out how a political focus undermines the Christian message.  The subtitle is "How the quest for political power is destroying the church."  


In a strange way I feel that much of contemporary Quakerism has fallen into this misunderstanding.  Most contemporary Quakers would line up on the more liberal end of the political spectrum, so they tend not to see their activity as similar to the activity of the more conservative, or even reactionary, religious groupings.  But for those who are more contemplatively inclined, or more aligned with a quietist orientation, the similarities are clear.


Thanks again for your comments.


Thy Friend,



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