Reproclaiming the Everlasting Gospel
Hope and Praise
Did I detect this morning the Lord's working in the hearts of early Meeting attenders? Praise to our Lord if it is true. What reason would I have to question? No one walked out when I spoke! A couple of women made stirrings to do so, but I looked directly at the one and all I can say, in the manner of George Fox, is the Lord's power came over all. Neither did anyone attempt to refute my message. Praise God. Lastly, I glimpsed the cover of the book one of the more vocal refuters had with her to read: Thomas More. Well, that was quite different from other titles I'd glimpsed at other times.
I hesitate to announce a dramatic change, but I am encouraged. I can only thank God for this small (oh, and she used the word prayer in telling me that Meeting would hold me in 'prayer') advancement, if you will. Understand, in my message I actually spoke the words Jesus Christ in addition to the word God.
If only I could have a time and audience with them to tell them the real Quaker religion/faith as preached by George Fox. Until then, I will keep doing as the Lord leads me. He fills me with so much joy I want to shout. Instead, I'll leave with this short song he gave to me one afternoon as I cleaned the Meeting House in West Chester, PA.
Lord, I thank you for this day.
Joy and peace have come my way.
Your gifts to me are without measure.
My life is filled with peace and pleasure.
Lord, I thank you for this day.
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Comment by Ellis Hein on 3rdMo. 6, 2016 at 12:03
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Rhonda, this may get unmanagable, but I am going to add a series of comments here because some are separate and others may become too long. So the focus of this comment is the writings of George Fox.
The Nichols edition and Rufus Jones' edition of Fox's Journal leave out much of what I find interesting in the Journal portion of the 8 volumes of the Works of Fox (that would be volumes 1 and 2). You may or may not be able to locate volumes of Fox's works from sources of used books. But you can get a CD Rom containing volumes 1 and 2 of the Works from http://www.foundationpublicationsnffusa.org/. It would be well worth your expense and time.
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The focus of this comment is the Scriptures. You have stated that you are using the Good News Bible. I suggest you find a good translation (Good News is a paraphrase, not a translation) that you can pair up with a good concordance, one that has a dictionary of Hebrew and Greek words. You can then delve into such questions as the difference of meaning and implication between Jesus being the mediator of the New Covenant or the arranger of the New Covenant.
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This comment concerns my point #3 ("George Fox was in the Spirit when he did his best preaching..." When did Fox do his worst preaching? What prompted his worst preaching?) and your response #3 (3. Why would one's best of anything imply the opposite for all other efforts? I did not imply he had episodes of worst preaching. Have you never been in the Spirit wherein you were given knowledge, openings, quickenings, visions, etc. that surpassed your normal state of comprehension and discourse? This ties in with the supernatural. And the supernatural is tied to faith.) To say something is "best" is a comparative statement. You can not have a best without having a worst. When God set my sins in order before me, #1 on the list was "You preach, but I never sent you." You ask, "Have you never been in the spirit wherein you were given knowledge, openings, quickenings, visions, etc.?" But my question has to do with, "If best happens when in the spirit, what business does anyone have preaching when they are not moved of the Lord to do so?"
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This comment concerns salvation which will cover my points #s 1,2,4, and your responses, plus some of your previous statements.
I remind you of your comments, "The more we open ourselves to that which is invisible and unlikely in a material world, the deeper and richer is our union with Christ..." "My brother is a Congregationalist. He loves the Lord. But he is always saying he is a sinner. I have told him not a few times that Jesus died for our sins and when we accept his offer of salvation we move from death (sin) to life...I also tell him Jesus Christ is his teacher, so when you move from death to life, Jesus is there to instruct us...But he never goes to the source to know Jesus, preferring to get information from a third party."
As you state, salvation is laid out by John 5:24 (and I am adding 25) which is: "...he who hears my word and believes Him who sent me, has eternal life and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life...an hour is coming and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear shall live."
So how does one, like the the large group represented by your brother, come to salvation if they prefer to get information from a third party? There is no line drawn between hearing the voice of Christ relating to coming to life and hearing Christ's voice to be our teacher. Salvation comes only by hearing and responding to the voice of Christ. Either we live in a state of receiving Christ's teaching and walking in the light or we live in darkness and do not know life. There can be no salvation by getting your information from a third party. Union with Christ is not a matter of degree nor is it a matter of enrichment. It is a matter life and death.
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