Comments - Partaking of the Sufferings (part three) - New Foundation Fellowship2024-03-28T09:12:50Zhttp://nffquaker.org/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=6286598%3ABlogPost%3A29257&xn_auth=noSome further comments on that…tag:nffquaker.org,2016-08-25:6286598:Comment:292622016-08-25T13:19:36.918ZEllis Heinhttp://nffquaker.org/profile/EllisHein
Some further comments on that passage in Isaiah: Chapter 54 continues on from verse 13 to the end describing the outcome of being taught by the Lord. It finally dawned on me that chapter 55 is a continuation. 54:13 to the end describes the condition of those taught by the Lord, 55 asks "are you hungry for this? Come, buy, eat. Listen that you may live. Delight yourself in abundance of listening that you may experience abundance of living. And I will make covenant with you.<br />
I find that portion…
Some further comments on that passage in Isaiah: Chapter 54 continues on from verse 13 to the end describing the outcome of being taught by the Lord. It finally dawned on me that chapter 55 is a continuation. 54:13 to the end describes the condition of those taught by the Lord, 55 asks "are you hungry for this? Come, buy, eat. Listen that you may live. Delight yourself in abundance of listening that you may experience abundance of living. And I will make covenant with you.<br />
I find that portion of Isaiah to be exceedingly rich. Thanks for your good comment,…tag:nffquaker.org,2016-08-24:6286598:Comment:292602016-08-24T18:51:38.136ZPatricia Dallmannhttp://nffquaker.org/profile/PatriciaDallmann
<p>Thanks for your good comment, Ellis. Here's a little more on the Isa. 54:13 verse: In the KJV, it reads: "And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children." Interesting to me are the different translations: KJV's, "great shall be the peace," and the version of your recollection, "none shall make them afraid." The words "peace" and "not being afraid" point to the contrast between the calm assurance that is in knowing God and, by contrast, the…</p>
<p>Thanks for your good comment, Ellis. Here's a little more on the Isa. 54:13 verse: In the KJV, it reads: "And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children." Interesting to me are the different translations: KJV's, "great shall be the peace," and the version of your recollection, "none shall make them afraid." The words "peace" and "not being afraid" point to the contrast between the calm assurance that is in knowing God and, by contrast, the agitation that accompanies fear. Having come into the knowledge of God some decades ago, I no longer think that the light threatens me with an "unendurable fire that I must avoid at all cost." Rather the danger for me is that fear's agitation has inertia, and I must consciously recognize it and put a stop to the temptation to ride that energy, which falsely promises to aid me in whatever crisis I'm undergoing or imagining. So, I've learned to quiet myself, be patient, and wait upon the Lord when I feel the rush of fear.</p>
<p>One other point about the Isa. 54 verse. In my KJV version, there's a symbol next to the verse that indicates it's a Messianic prophecy. Additionally, alongside is a reference to Isa. 11:9: "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Each verse refers to consciousness of the LORD: knowledge in 11:9 and "taught by the Lord" in 54:13, which affirms in both verses the messianic promise is knowledge of Christ within, teaching his people himself. </p> Thanks for putting up this se…tag:nffquaker.org,2016-08-24:6286598:Comment:294532016-08-24T13:07:16.551ZEllis Heinhttp://nffquaker.org/profile/EllisHein
Thanks for putting up this series of posts. I liked it when you made your presentation at the 2016 gathering and it helps to see it in print. I am particularly struck by Brunner's two quotes you provide in part three. He has "hit the bullseye" in his linking fear to wickedness. I am reminded of Isaiah 54:13 and following: "And all your sons will be taught by the Lord and none shall make them afraid." (my paraphrase from memory). If none can make us afraid because we are being taught by the…
Thanks for putting up this series of posts. I liked it when you made your presentation at the 2016 gathering and it helps to see it in print. I am particularly struck by Brunner's two quotes you provide in part three. He has "hit the bullseye" in his linking fear to wickedness. I am reminded of Isaiah 54:13 and following: "And all your sons will be taught by the Lord and none shall make them afraid." (my paraphrase from memory). If none can make us afraid because we are being taught by the Lord, then none can induce us to evil. If I am being actuated by fear or panic, then coming to the light that reveals all my condition will seem like an unendurable fire that I must avoid at all cost. Truly only the hunger and thirst after righteousness, the insatiable hunger that won't be satisfied by anything else, enables one to face the terror of seeing ourselves as we are without God. In that sight, we can then see the love of God who does not leave us in our condition but shows us our condition that He may raise us out of it and give us righteousness to eat and drink.